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    Quote Originally Posted by jason8844 View Post
    Wow. I know things get crazy there at the NFA Branch, but that is unacceptable. Our government takes less time to screen agents to protect the President and give people super secret clearances. There just has to be a better way than this system.
    Uh, yea. Repeal of the NFA and the Hughes amendment.

    Fingers crossed I see one of those happen in my lifetime. I won't hold my breath, however.

    Also, what ever became of the challenges to the Montana law regarding firearms not a part of interstate commerce?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sillycon View Post
    Uh, yea. Repeal of the NFA and the Hughes amendment.

    Fingers crossed I see one of those happen in my lifetime. I won't hold my breath, however.
    Well, I agree that nether will happen in our lifetime. However, I think there are two things that we can do to help speed up the system. As a self employed person who works 12 to 14 hours, sometimes 6 or 7 days a week, I am always thinking about cost savings and efficiency in my work. Of course, even though I hold a doctorate degree in my field, I doubt I am intelligent enough to think like an advanced government bureaucrat. But here are my ideas...

    1. Create a fast pass or pre-check system like the TSA has done for frequent flyers.

    As someone who files his NFA forms as an individual, it is stupid that I have to turn in so many finger print cards and passport photos. The way I look and my fingerprints do not change. Why do they have to run them each time I apply to build an SBR or transfer a suppressor? They already have me on file and know I already am in possession of NFA items. Can't they just run my data that is already in the system and verify my eligibility? The redundancy of running an extensive background check for EVERY application, even when they are only a month apart is wasteful and time consuming.

    2. When approving a person/trust for a Form 1 or 4, the examiner should look up and approve all other pending applications for the person/trust at the same time.

    It is stupid to waste an examiners time reviewing all the paperwork for a transfer, only to do it all again a couple of weeks later. It is not like the information on the form will change. Just approve them all at the same time that have proceeded past a certain point in the process. This would take them out of the queue and remove many applications and speed up the process.

    Well, that's it. I would like to think in a world where all of our emails, phone calls and texts can be intercepted by computers in our government, they could use computers to aid in this process and be able to look up info quicker and create a faster process.

    Oh well. What do I know?
    Last edited by jason8844; 01-09-2014 at 12:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sillycon View Post
    Also, what ever became of the challenges to the Montana law regarding firearms not a part of interstate commerce?
    I think three things are in play here...

    1. No one wants to be the guinea pig and build a machine gun within Montana and risk becoming a felon and all that comes along with it.

    2. Unless you can prove that EVERY part and all the metal/wood/polymer that went into the firearm was not produced, created, built, machined or mined in another state, the Feds will find a way to bring it into the fold of interstate commerce.

    3. Wickard v. Filburn - SCOTUS case and the ruling on what is defined as interstate commerce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason8844 View Post
    Well, I agree that nether will happen in our lifetime. However, I think there are two things that we can do to help speed up the system. As a self employed person who works 12 to 14 hours, sometimes 6 or 7 days a week, I am always thinking about cost savings and efficiency in my work. Of course, even though I hold a doctorate degree in my field, I doubt I am intelligent enough to think like an advanced government bureaucrat. But here are my ideas...

    1. Create a fast pass or pre-check system like the TSA has done for frequent flyers.

    As someone who files his NFA forms as an individual, it is stupid that I have to turn in so many finger print cards and passport photos. The way I look and my fingerprints do not change. Why do they have to run them each time I apply to build an SBR or transfer a suppressor? They already have me on file and know I already am in possession of NFA items. Can't they just run my data that is already in the system and verify my eligibility? The redundancy of running an extensive background check for EVERY application, even when they are only a month apart is wasteful and time consuming.

    2. When approving a person/trust for a Form 1 or 4, the examiner should look up and approve all other pending applications for the person/trust at the same time.

    It is stupid to waste an examiners time reviewing all the paperwork for a transfer, only to do it all again a couple of weeks later. It is not like the information on the form will change. Just approve them all at the same time that have proceeded past a certain point in the process. This would take them out of the queue and remove many applications and speed up the process.

    Well, that's it. I would like to think in a world where all of our emails, phone calls and texts can be intercepted by computers in our government, they could use computers to aid in this process and be able to look up info quicker and create a faster process.

    Oh well. What do I know?
    Your suggestions are all good and well. My profession also demands precision and efficiency and a screw up on my end could result in grevious morbidity and or mortality. Your interest in a specific weapon that only a minute portion of the population possess or for that fact, even think you could have is of zero interest to them. The current regime prefer you own NOTHING that remotely resembles a firearm let alone a "machinegun/suppressor/SBR". Thusly you want to play, enough discouragement may change your mind. The criminal obtains his illegal weapon whenever he pleases and NFA he simply laughs off. It is similar to CCW. Remember when the retards claimed "blood will flow in the streets" if CCW was allowed. Still waiting for that to happen. CCW holders are not criminals and really pretty stable folks plus, no criminal records.
    The point is: You're right, they already have all the info they need on you and it is basically a redundancy and like anything govt. related it's a cluster****.
    Last edited by ddnc; 01-09-2014 at 03:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason8844 View Post
    Well, I agree that nether will happen in our lifetime. However, I think there are two things that we can do to help speed up the system. As a self employed person who works 12 to 14 hours, sometimes 6 or 7 days a week, I am always thinking about cost savings and efficiency in my work. Of course, even though I hold a doctorate degree in my field, I doubt I am intelligent enough to think like an advanced government bureaucrat. But here are my ideas...

    1. Create a fast pass or pre-check system like the TSA has done for frequent flyers.

    As someone who files his NFA forms as an individual, it is stupid that I have to turn in so many finger print cards and passport photos. The way I look and my fingerprints do not change. Why do they have to run them each time I apply to build an SBR or transfer a suppressor? They already have me on file and know I already am in possession of NFA items. Can't they just run my data that is already in the system and verify my eligibility? The redundancy of running an extensive background check for EVERY application, even when they are only a month apart is wasteful and time consuming.

    Will not work. The point of doing the check is to make certain that you are not / have not become a prohibited person. A lot can and does change between the last time you filed and now. The current law requires that ATF makes sure each and every time. And while they do indeed have you on file already, they want to make sure that it is actually you filling out the application/tax return.

    It does seem wasteful and time consuming. That is the very definition of government...


    2. When approving a person/trust for a Form 1 or 4, the examiner should look up and approve all other pending applications for the person/trust at the same time.

    It is stupid to waste an examiners time reviewing all the paperwork for a transfer, only to do it all again a couple of weeks later. It is not like the information on the form will change. Just approve them all at the same time that have proceeded past a certain point in the process. This would take them out of the queue and remove many applications and speed up the process.

    And the person who filed his application maybe months before you gets pushed back because you have a
    gun problem?" <ggg>


    Well, that's it. I would like to think in a world where all of our emails, phone calls and texts can be intercepted by computers in our government, they could use computers to aid in this process and be able to look up info quicker and create a faster process.

    Oh well. What do I know?

    They can and do use computers. And their throughput has doubled and in some cases tripled since just 5 years ago. That said we have also ramped up their volume by orders of magnitude in the same time frame.

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    What "gun problem"? I can stop anytime I want. In fact my next gun purchase, suppressor transfer and SBR build will be my last. I am kicking the habit. ;-)
    Last edited by jason8844; 01-09-2014 at 07:52 PM.

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    I think Jasons point with #2 was that the person in line behind wouldn't be appreciably delayed, but in fact might get approved SOONER. If I have 3 applications in queue, and they were grouped together and approved at the same time then everyone behind me would get approved faster vs. having to wait through me getting three separate full-blown background checks.

    Of course, this idea sidesteps the issue of having to do a "background check" on each of the transferred ITEMS to ensure they're all legal as well.

    Realistically, the biggest improvement that think we could hope to gain in the process is probably the de-listing of suppressors from the NFA as well as perhaps SBR's and SBS's. Short-barrel items are especially reasonable when you consider that you can walk into a store and walk out with a .308win or 410ga handgun in under an hour but can't get a 25" long .308 rifle or 17" barrel 410ga shotgun without a ~1yr wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sillycon View Post
    I think Jasons point with #2 was that the person in line behind wouldn't be appreciably delayed, but in fact might get approved SOONER. If I have 3 applications in queue, and they were grouped together and approved at the same time then everyone behind me would get approved faster vs. having to wait through me getting three separate full-blown background checks.
    That's what I meant.


    Sillycon, as for removing items from the NFA, are you writing your Reps and Senators. I know I have. I am sure they are tired of me calling every month about it. However, I feel like I am talking to a brick wall. I only wish I knew someone personally in Ted Cruz's office to actually be able to seriously be able to communicate this to them and see if we can get it added to a bill as an amendment or at least get hearings on it. I am just one person with no power though.

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    The idea of delisting certain items from the NFA is formidable. But it also must be taken in context. It would be great if the NFA did not exist. And if it must exist, it would be better if its scope was limited. Removing suppressors and short barreled long arms from the purview is a reasonable scenario. But it is not reasonable to believe that *any* initiative that *expands* gun rights in this current federal climate would have a chance. While it is possible for a bill to make it through the House, making it through the Senate (right now) is pretty much a non-starter. But even if there were some miraculous event that would allow it to sneak through, do you think it could overcome a White House veto?

    This idea of delisting has merit. But there really is only going to be enough "ammo" to fire this shot once. Best to do it when the environment provides the greatest chance of success. Win the Senate, put somebody who's not a socialist in the White House and then head for daylight...

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    It's a breath of fresh air to hear someone tell it like it is, the Democrat Party has morphed into the Socialist Party,
    I've been referring to them as the Socialist Party for months. If everyone would do it, it would shine some light them for the uninformed.
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